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When a gamechanger changes your game
by Finz, at 21/2-17 - 19:21 GMT


  Written by Finz of Nightmarechaos
  
  Progress is impossible without change, somebody once said. And that is what we got recently. A gamechanger effecting all the teams at the same time and that must make you decide wheter to play like you did or to change your plans according the change.
  
  A talent was always a talent before his training. After his training he would be either a lost cause, a decent teammate or a great star, ready to reap the points and jerseys due to his great progress during training. He would benefit from this training, given by his manager for a hefty sum of money, and earn it back through points, prizemoney and jerseys and trophies. A good rider, trained at a young age could be valuable for around ten seasons of joy, money and prizes.
  
  A few days ago it has been decided that a rider could train very well but an amount of experience is needed to put this training effort into cold, hard cash. Experience only to

be gained to race, race and race. There is no question that one must learn the rules of the peloton and earn a spot in order to become succesfull and join the ranks of the great ones from days gone by. You could be great at a young age but the experience gained by a rider a few years older is invaluable and will give you a setback in the race.
  
  And in a way that is correct, one should know when to attack or stay behind, go in the breakaway or not. But if you are a great sprinter, wait long enough and have this gut feeling about when to jump where, would age matter. You just have to stick around, go in front at the last kilometers and follow a fellow sprinter and jump from behind him to steal the win. A 21 year can do that and so can a 25 year old, the older one will not have an advantage just because he is older. And a super climber can also climb very good when he is young and not only when he is 28 or something.
  
  The amount of weight put on these young riders

who turned out to be monsters could perhaps be too much and give a wrong message to all those who want to become an alltime great. You all know the names and their great achievements. Will training be beneficial, you train a rider, he turns out great and the next four seasons you are stuck with a great teammate or leadout. He earns no money, your other riders are probably not good enough. And when he finally is able to improve and gives you money and results the timespan in which he must do so is drastically decreased and your great rider is not so great at all. He will earn less than what he could do before, will decline rapidly when he is on his peak and in the end you are forced to sell or abandon due to the lack of funding and joy.
  
  I fear that we will never see the likes of an Äme Anderberg, Lean Ahnfeldt-Mollerup or Santiago Campelo again. Not because they are no longer there but because they will not be able to deliver as much as they could. And that, I think, is sad.



Comments


NightmareChaos at 20:18 21/2-2017
  For me personal, I spend 300k on training to get an AV56 pave pacer for the next 4 seasons.


Lokomotíva Zvolen at 20:24 21/2-2017
  As I read your article, I think I see now the reason why my team recently got a result on Fast on Wheels, even though it is, well, mediocre: Almost all of my riders are 27 or 28.


NightmareChaos at 20:43 21/2-2017
  Indeed, your rider(s) have improved because they are older. Not better, older. And it may seem as if xp has less value it actually has improved in importance


Spin Doctors at 22:28 21/2-2017
  Nice article. The days of epic careers and YC/GC doubles are surely past. I worry about the new managers who will find a great 21y.o. talent be lucky enough for him to max high and then give up on the game running out of patience before the rider has reached their peak.


Navarone Cycling Team at 07:54 22/2-2017
  The real problem comes when you spend X on training a good rider, and making good training choices, and this rider is unable to win X back in prize money until he is 27-28. This effectively kills the economics of training riders, because you don't get enough return of investment until 5-6 years after training, and why are you gonna sell him at this point when he's about to peak? Before you could train a rider, get back ~40% of training money in prizes, and sell him around 100-150k over his RV, because the buyer knew that he would get this surplus money back over the years in prize money. Now with 23-26YOs the buyer knows he's set for a few years of mediocre results and no ROI, hence is willing to pay less surplus, hence the seller wins less or decides not to sell, hence the market becomes stagnant.
  
  A decent solution would be to change the slopes of performance / age so it resembles more of a plateau: I agree that, given similar riders, age and xp should be deciding factors, but losing consistently to mediocre older riders may throw small teams out of training, or to accept losing money with it and making that up through jobs. If the market becomes stagnant, the game becomes so, so be warned.


Rigana at 09:53 22/2-2017
  I agree with Navarone`s plateau idea. I would say a rider should be at peak 24 to 31 (8 seasons). The new idea is good, the execution needs to be adjusted.


Cremtec at 10:45 22/2-2017
  I think it should vary from rider to rider although that might be hard to implement. But in real life some riders only come to the surface by their late twenties while others can shine a lot earlier


Super Velo at 16:59 22/2-2017
  Did I miss an announcement about another change? If so can someone point me to it? Or is this change on the way? So you are now saying that trained riders will not immediately after finishing training be able to perform up to their stats? If this is so then why bother training at all? Just pick riders off the hire list and put them in races, that should be enough shouldn't it? This game with it's many "off days" in 9 out of 10 races, with riders being pretty much finished at age 28, riders being totally useless at age 40 or whatever it is is doing nothing but killing this game. If what you say is true (and I haven't seen any official announcement) doing this would in essence give riders about 2 seasons to be any good and then they are done. It would further make the training of a 23 or 24 yo rider totally useless. Who cares, I have a couple TT riders and I'll just enter them in races until I get tired of that and quit. Training and trying to get good riders was always one of the most fun and important parts of this game, now thats going? Look at Cavendish as an example, he was great when he was 21-22 you and young and he's still pretty great still at 32 or whatever it is now... Whatever...


BrokenChain at 17:55 22/2-2017
  It is true. But older riders keep performing longer too. Please remember that a bug was fixed that made young riders over perform too.
  
  The good thing now is that you can just keep training steadily and a new captain can replace the 32yo at 26 while you start on a new rider


Zakisu Pirtina at 18:28 22/2-2017
  2nd place in Germany tour is 23yo, 3rd is 25yo, 4th is 26yo. It looks to me that youngsters are still competitive.
  


Avataria at 02:24 25/2-2017
  I tried to explain this would happen around 100 times, and now the same people that refused to listen are complaining about the change. Sorry, but I find that funny :)


NECFTW at 00:38 26/2-2017
  The same way you explained a 100 times young riders didn't over-perform as intended?
  
  The real problem is that Nick isn't hands on in tweaking.
  
  But yeah, performance still sucks. Worst feature ever introduced.


Lokomotíva Zvolen at 12:12 28/2-2017
  I´ve just found an interesting speech about this topic. Please watch from 17:08 https://youtu.be/iUuwBfXDlTs?t=17m8s and at 19:00 there is a graph, that is very relevant.


NightmareChaos at 17:51 28/2-2017
  There is a new update already Zvolen