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Calendar Work 2.0, Part 2
Schiavi di Don
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  This thread will cover the changes made to Divisions 3 and 4, which also will be in place during the upcoming season.
  
  For the introduction see: http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/announcements/390638
  
  First of all, a big one:
  - Division 3.1 will be deactivated. These races hardly ever filled up, and make the calendar needlessly complicated for Divisions 3 and 4. The in-between divisions work better for higher divisions because there is enough difference between points scored and rank. This means people can actually properly plan ahead on which race they want to race when. This is very difficult from Division 3 down, because it is a lot easier to unexpectedly drop in or out of a division. So instead of giving people more to play with, they just create a little more chaos in the life of div3/4 managers. We prefer to limit that chaos.
  Most of the Division 3.1 races will be replaced by races in either Division 3 or Division 4.
  It is also important that this doesn't create gaps, which is why I would greatly appreciate any feedback from division 3/4 managers who experience the new calendar.
  
  The list of new races, including those replacing div3.1 races.
  
  Division 3
  
  - Day 6, SP, profile 0 0 2 7 8 2 4 0
  - Day 12, CL, profile 6 3 5 2 0 0 2 0
  - Day 29, HL profile 5 4 7 2 2 0 3 0
  - Day 43, FR, profile t.b.d.
  - Day 52 Hasselt GP will be removed
  - Day 70, CL, profile 7 5 4 4 5 0 3 0
  - Day 72, DH, profile 5 9 4 2 6 0 5 0
  - Day 78, HL, profile 3 3 7 3 3 4 3 0
  - Day 88, HL, profile 3 4 8 1 1 0 1 0
  
  Division 4
  
  - Day 4, CL, profile 7 6 5 4 0 0 2 0
  - Day 22, SP, profile 1 2 5 7 3 0 2 0
  - Day 24, HL, profile t.b.d.
  - Day 27, CL, profile 8 1 2 6 1 0 4 0
  - Day 43, CL, profile 8 1 1 0 3 0 4 0
  - Day 44, SP, profile 0 0 2 7 8 0 2 0
  - Day 56, HL, profile 2 2 6 4 5 0 4 0
  - Day 60, CL, profile 7 1 0 6 2 0 3 0
  - Day 63, FR, profile t.b.d.
  - Day 64, HL, profile 4 3 7 3 2 0 4 0
  
  
  In these divisions, a little more races will be replaced. In this case a lot of the replacements are based on race names being dull/common (CB, CBGP, G3, English additions to non-English races, having two races named León - León, etc.) and misspelled race names.
  Also, the race adding tool had a bug for division 4 that I forgot about when adding 3 races last season, giving them low amounts of points and prize money, so I will try to fix those as well (or get Nick to do it, that would look cleaner).
  
  
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Stil Ostil
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13:21 9/5-2020 GMT

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  After replacing races from div 3.1, how many new races will be added more to div 3 and how many to div 4?
Schiavi di Don
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13:26 9/5-2020 GMT

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  The races listed are all the new races. So 18 in total, instead of 12 3.1 races. I hope this will be enough to replace them, but if it turns out not to be, I will add more.
  
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Last edit by Schiavi di Don at 13:26 9/5-2020.

WelchAllyn
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14:04 9/5-2020 GMT

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  No CB races to be added? My problem with div 4 was that I always had to wait a week or more for a CB race (which then promptly filled up with much better teams, leaving me no chance).
  Is there any indication of CB races being added in the near future?
Schiavi di Don
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14:11 9/5-2020 GMT

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  Not to add a CB race, because the amount of them is the as high as normal, but Maseru - Berea is planned to be moved to day 51 to fix a gap there.
  
  
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Velo Club Bored Man
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14:15 9/5-2020 GMT

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  I think Div 3 lacks a proper tour.
Schiavi di Don
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14:16 9/5-2020 GMT

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  Unfortunately Tours are not something I can easily add, so that's up to Nick to decide on.
  
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Cokol Breakaway Team
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15:48 9/5-2020 GMT

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  Norway tour?
  
  Also I disagree that div 3 has a higher than average CB races. Now it is only 13 races + CB tour. R.A.C.E Machine (3.1) race balanced that nicely, but I see that you are not adding anything to replace that. Also CB of Prague is less interesting profile than Hamar CB, which had equal HL and CB. This allowed for interesting meeting between two different subspecialties, especially right before GdM. In fact, some teams even trained high HL teammates for CB races. Prague has TQ as the highest attribute, I bet that less HL teams will sign up now and the tactic choices are much more limited.
  
  My feedback as D3 CB team. I say keep Prague race and either return R.A.C.E or Hamar.
Velo Club Bored Man
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15:59 9/5-2020 GMT

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  Oh, yeah, I forgot about Norway. I always think it's a bugged Tour when i see it's name.
Team WonderDee
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16:28 9/5-2020 GMT

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  I was about to write, 3rd div is not lacking tours with the current setup. It got all the tours + a cup.You could argue it has one small to much, and one CL tour to little. But Perm Tour is the "CL tour" of 3rd.
  
  As mention before, the original plan for tours was:
  
  1st-3rd
  1 Grand tour
  1 CL Tour
  1 SP Tour
  1 Short Tour
  1 CB Tour
  
  About the HL calender in 3rd:
  Its good to see the big cap between Day 25 and 35 getting filled.
  But I do miss a HL race between Day 54 and 69, since Brescia Uphill is more for the climbers then hillers. And even if you count Brescia Uphill in, there is a big cap between Day 56 and 69.
  Its good with a new HL race on day 78, but not sure why you will add one on day 88? When you got Piedra Sola GP on day 86.
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16:44 9/5-2020 GMT

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  @Doctor Love, Don was talking about Div 4, that actually has quite a lot of CB races compared to the other divs around it. I do agree with you that Div 3 might be too light on CB, there are a few big gaps there. We'll discuss that. I'll personally make sure there'll be a HL/CB race if we do add one. ;)
  
  @Christian, thanks for bringing that to our attention as well. I'm guessing because of Kangaroo Tour HL stage we missed that big gap there. We'll discuss that as well.
  
  
Schiavi di Don
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  @Cokol
  
  I didn't claim it was more. It's average. I don't agree that Hamar CB was better, especially not for CB teams. It's a BA profile. But, I am not a CB team, so I guess you do know better regarding that. Will consider adding that kind of race in one of the periods with few CB.
  
  @Christian
  
  I would think that a Hill team would sign up for Kangaroo. So for me that fills that gap. But again, no experience with that, so I could be wrong.
  And day 88 is there because there always is a very busy period around the end and begin of the season, and 86-2 is a gap that's difficult to fill without getting close to another race.
  
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Team WonderDee
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16:53 9/5-2020 GMT

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  @Don: Its my first season in 3rd with a HL team, since I normally stay in HL heaven (2nd div). I did have to sign up for Kangaroo indeed, but not sure if its the best option. The price money and points are lower then a normal race, and it take a spot for teams with sprinters and hill sprinter.
  
  Its nice with two hill races close, and do a double. But again, I do feel the gap between day 54 and 69 is more important to fix. And with a HL classic on Day 69 it would be nice to have a build up race to the classic with a gap of 7-8 days? So managers can trigger TF to the classic.
  
  @Llotyhy: I know about a HL CB race from England you can add ;)

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Schiavi di Don
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  That race already has another spot somewhere Christian. ;)
  
  Any way, the 88 race is not just for the hillers, also for teams needing a race to sign up during the season end.
  
  After a short conversation we'll add 3 races;
  
  - CB on day 56
  - HL on day 63
  - CB on day 65
  
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Team WonderDee
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  Yep, I am not complaining. But if I had to pick between a HL race between day 54->69 and day 88, I know what I would pick ;) But now we get both, thats great news. Keep up the good work, and if you are looking for some consulting about HL or need a race to fill the calender you know who to PM ;)
WelchAllyn
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  Thank you, Don, more CB races are always appreciated! :D
Cokol Breakaway Team
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  Cheers, Don and Llotyhy! Making a schedule is hard work, and it's hard to please everybody. I appreciate the time you put in it; I am sure teams who don't often visit forums appreciate it too. Adding 2 more cobble races does make it fairer for CB teams and smoothens transition between divisions 4-3-2. Those are the perfect gaps in the div. 3 schedule to fill too. Thanks again!
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22:18 13/5-2020 GMT

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  I see on day 63 there is a FR race and not HL race added. Change of plans?
Schiavi di Don
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  Oh, crap, that is probably a mistake. I guess the FR fits as well, so I'll just add the HL as well.
  
  Edit: I see what happened now, I replaced a race on day 63 with the FR race, and the HL race was waiting on a translation, so I didn't put it in yet. So I didn't even screw up. :D
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Last edit by Schiavi di Don at 06:27 14/5-2020.

Millican
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05:09 14/5-2020 GMT

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  Hey Don, are you going to enter the race descriptions from the race design competition for the new races that have been created, or should I do it for my races that have been implemented?
  
  Thanks
  
  
Schiavi di Don
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  I will leave that to you indeed, especially because race descriptions count towards an achievement, and I wouldn't want to steal that away. ;)
  
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Millican
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06:26 14/5-2020 GMT

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  Awesome, thanks Don! I will get them entered in the next day or so.
Velosipedska
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  Don, did you add some races again today? I swear I ripped everey single race this morning and put them in my sweet Calendar Megaproject 2 (electric boogaloo) and now there's a race THIS WEEK in my OWN BLOODY DIVISION that's not in there.
  
  Glad i spent half the day developing a ridiculous monstrosity that spews out a new calender if i just wack a ripped html table in there ;)
Schiavi di Don
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  Yeah, the part 3 announcement says a lot more about that. ;)
  
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Velosipedska
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19:42 14/5-2020 GMT

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  Well at least now I now know my monstrosity works
SsebasS85
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  Not a single race on day 25 for Div 4?
  It is not a biggy but it looks unusual.
Schiavi di Don
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  It's a bug, somehow races that were on day 25 moved to day 26 some seasons ago. In some divisions I decided to just put some new races to 25 instead of 26, but the other divisions will have to be fixed by Nick.
  
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