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Schiavi di Don
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  Over the past few seasons Division 6 proved to have too few races.
  After taking a closer look at the calendar, I also found out that there were some serious gaps in the coverage of CL and SP races.
  This is why I have done the following:
  
  - Added 14 new races (1 of them is still coming on day 56)
  - 6 of them are CL races, 4 of them SP race, filling the holes that existed, hopefully allowing starter teams to find regular races to sign up for and score in.
  - The other races have 'special profiles', and fill spots in the calendar where there were clearly not enough races apart from SP and CL.
  
  Hopefully the Div6 managers will appreciate it!
  
  Update
  
  Division 5 has also been looked at now, and the following has been added:
  
  - 13 new races (3 of them yet to be added), being:
  - 5 new CL races
  - 2 new DH races (1 yet to be added)
  - 3 new SP or FR races (1 yet to be added)
  - 3 races with odd profiles (1 yet to be added)
  
   Division 4 and Division 7 have also been covered now.
  
   Division 4
  
   - 17 new races, being:
   - 4 SP
   - 4 CL
   - 4 HL
   - 2 CB
   - 2 ODD
   - 1 TQ
  
   - 6 races will be asked to be removed, being:
   - 3 ALL races
   - 2 TT's
   - 1 SP (for name reasons)
  
   - 2 races will be asked to be moved to a different day (1 TT, 1 ALL)
  
   Division 7
  
   - 19 new races, being:
  
   - 6 CL
   - 6 HL
   - 3 ODD
   - 2 SP
   - 2 CB
  
   - 10 races will be asked to be removed, being;
  
   - 6 ALL
   - 3 TT
   - 1 FR
  
   - 5 races will be asked to move to a different day (2 CB, 2 DH, 1 HL)
  
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Hub City Cycling
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  I approve!
Tashkent Browncoats
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  This is great!
  
  There's a couple of interesting new races between them, especially for the downhillers:
   Ulaanbaatar uruu Uruudakh: 1-7-3-8-2-4-2-0
  Trail of the Abunes 2-6-5-4-3-5-5-0 (Division 6 is slowly becoming a DH-CB division?)
  But also:
  Atacama Ascension 9-1-2-4-0-0-1-0

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Hub City Cycling
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  Wow, talk about a straight climbing stage.
Zakisu Pirtina
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  What do you mean by "1 of them is still coming on day 56"? Im in div6 now and I can't see races available for signup on Day 56. Great additions, since im around Div6 quite often, thanks :)
  
  
  Edit: ok ok, cancel all my appointments, i think i just got lost in my english skills and the saturday morning :)

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  He means he's going to add another race on day 56, but only in a few days, because you need to give people time to sign up. :)
  
  OT: excellent work!
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  Don -- do you feel there is a shortage in Div 5 also? My sense is that Div 5 races fill almost as quickly as Div 6 used to. I understand that this was not the direct motivation for the additions, but these additions will alleviate that issue a little in Div 6.
Schiavi di Don
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  @Coulter
  Me and Llotyhy are currently also looking at Division 5 and 7, it's just that 6 seemed most urgent, so I did it first.
  
  @dumbris
  
  I didn't want to create a race that suddenly would become available for sign up, because it might disturb planning for people already having signed up for different races. So that's why I'll add it after day 56.
  
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Team Oasis
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  Well if it would be added now, nobody could sign up and see a race on their calendar.
  
  The system has to give a push to make a race available for sign up. If u manually add a race that would appear available on the calendar it has missed that push and therefore you cannot sign up. It needs an extra job for activation.
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  Probably not a small, quick thing to fix. but if you're balancing divisions it would be nice if the prize money in division 4 could be made a bit more in line with the other divisions. Currently a 4th place in division 4 earns 7000 while a 4th in division 5 earns 8000. The same for 5th-9th places. All earn less in division 4.
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  @Jime
  
  Unfortunately that is something Nick would need to do manually, so not something I can do myself. Weird though.
  
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Australian Warlord
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02:51 13/1-2019 GMT

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  Question: If it's because spaces were filling up too quickly, then why this route & not merely extending the number of teams in each race to 24?
  Or is there a number of active teams/races imbalance compared to Div5?
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  Is there any chance for a suggestion thread for new races?
Schiavi di Don
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  @Mal,
  
  You are always free to send me any suggestions you have. But a suggestion thread probably is a bit too much since not that many races are needed.
  
  @Rustgold
  
  Yes, there was an active teams/races imbalance. Apart from this, there were also large gaps with no Sp or Cl races in them, which makes it impossible for smaller teams to score consistently. Both problems should be fixed by adding races.
  
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  A thumbs up from one of the small teams!
Schiavi di Don
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  Division 5 has now also been updated!
  Next up is division 7.
  
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  Hope you guys like them! :)
Triangle Talent
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  Thanks! This ought to make my life a bit easier in div 6 :-)
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  No new HL races? Or TT for that matter? :(
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  Talking about HL races, the HL calender in 1st div should be looked into. Not many only HL races. Most HL SP or HL CL.
CC Est
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  Nice! Where do you pick up those new races Don? Can one suggest a race?
Schiavi di Don
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  @Tony
  
  In these divisions, those categories were already quite well represented. Of course either of those categories could get new races if time proves that they would need more attention.
  
  Just added a third DH race btw.
  
  
  @Taavi
  
  A lot of them are created by me, Nooky, or Llotyhy. I also 'steal' them from tours suggested in the Tour Design. And people are always free to send me suggestions, as long as they don't expect everything to get into the game, and leave me some creative room to adjust the names if needed.
  
  @Christian
  
  We are looking at the lower divisions first, but when finished with them, the higher ones will also get attention.
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Schiavi di Don
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  Update:
  After a closer review, 1 extra TT race has been added to Div6.
  
  Division 4 and Division 7 have also been covered now. (will be adding the races today)
  
  Division 4
  
  - 17 new races, being:
  - 4 SP
  - 4 CL
  - 4 HL
  - 2 CB
  - 2 ODD
  - 1 TQ
  
  - 6 races will be asked to be removed, being:
  - 3 ALL races
  - 2 TT's
  - 1 SP (for name reasons)
  
  - 2 races will be asked to be moved to a different day (1 TT, 1 DH)
  
  Division 7
  
  - 19 new races, being:
  
  - 6 CL
  - 6 HL
  - 3 ODD
  - 2 SP
  - 2 CB
  
  - 10 races will be asked to be removed, being;
  
  - 6 ALL
  - 3 TT
  - 1 FR
  
  - 5 races will be asked to move to a different day (2 CB, 2 DH, 1 HL)
  
  
  
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  OCM Awards Chairman/Admin
  
  'When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.'
  Proverbs 29:2

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  Why the allround races are being removed?
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  In these divisions, there were too many of them compared to other divisions, and the ones removed are really close to others, so unnecessary for a steady pace of ALL races.
  
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PEKAC B
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  OK, thanks.
  
  @ Christian: I can agree that there are hardly any pure HL races in division 1 but cannot agree there are many HL / CL races.
  
  As HL / CL races, we only have:
  
  Melbourne - Canberra, Bordeaux - Toulouse and theoretically also Highlander´s Race to Aberdeen
  
  As pure HL races, there are Volta do Belo Horizonte, Ulm - Augsburg and Mons - Turnhout so at least the same amount

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  Big difference going from Zyte to Div 1 when it comes to HL races. Zyte is absolutely stacked, while there are very few HL races in Div 1. Especially the HLSP kind that favors the typical "classic" rider.
Schiavi di Don
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  All new races have been added!
  
  
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  'When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.'
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Tashkent Browncoats
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  I just noticed that in division 6 there are 3 races with virtually the same profile:
  Kirchbach (day 67) 6-5-3-1-1-0-1-0
  The Kirkjubøur Race (day 68) 5-4-2-1-1-0-2-0
  Åre Climbs (day 68) 6-6-4-2-1-0-0-0
  
Hog Bay CT
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  Thanks for noticing. If you find any more such 'problems' also long gaps between similar races, please send either Don or me a message and we'll make a note of it.
  
  We'll be going through the 1-3 divs the coming days and we then hope to have the new calendar up and running before the end of the season. I will then monitor the entire thing for a season to see how quickly everything fills up in each division, which type of races we need more/less of etc.
  
  After that we'll start over again and use all your feedback as well as the data. :)
Australian Warlord
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  Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with different divisions having more than or less than the average of certain types of races compared to Div1. It meant that certain types of cyclists, who could never be suited to Div1, could still be suited somewhere, plus it provided a variation on team skillsets to make teams less of a mould & more interesting.
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  You'll find that thats still sort of the case. However, for example, we wanted to work out problems like downhill or hill teams having over a dozen races in a division, then promoting and finding just four or so. That's too much of an imbalance.
CC Est
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  What I see now is no single race to sign for sprinter while there are several races available for tters and climbers in div1. Don said in pm there are too many SP races in div1 now. How come?
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  That's because div 1 hasn't been done yet. :) There'll be a race moved to this part of the calendar. It will take some time though.
CC Est
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  OK, I'll keep eye on that, Mongo-Italian Mafia.
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  Hehe, that would be appreciated, we all make mistakes. :)
Tashkent Browncoats
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  Nomadic pastoralist mafia sounds about as frightening as it gets
Australian Warlord
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  Just curious. The upper division thread had a list of where all of the new races are etc. Is there a similar list for these divisions?
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  So many TT races being removed :(
Schiavi di Don
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  @Rustgold,
  
  Yes there is, but since all the new races have already been added I didn't find it worth the extra effort. But I could definitely post a list like that if necessary.
  
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Australian Warlord
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  Not really worth that effort to compile, was only curious.
  
  @Llotyhy: Actually it won't. It'll show which races are on the schedule, but not which out of these have been added. But anyway, as I said, was only curious, and it's not worth the energy to find & compile a list.

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Hog Bay CT
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  In case anyone didn't know. The easiest way to look up info like this is go to the race filter and filter on the division you're looking for. You'll get the overview there. :)
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  This might be a little off-topic but seeing as La Serenissima Reppublica has the flag of San Marino, I think Serravalle - San Marino should have too
Schiavi di Don
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  Makes sense indeed. Just like the Macao race should have the Macao flag.
  
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  I'm in 6 now and it's still drama regarding the number of races to sign up for. You have to sign up 6-7 days in advance for most races. I don't know if the amount of teams and amount of races is the same as in other divisions, but if it's not please add some more races.
  
  If it is the same rate as other divisions, maybe extend the races so a few more teams can join?
Australian Warlord
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  They still only have 20 spots per race, don't they? I believe that I suggested previously for it to go to 24 teams per race.
Hog Bay CT
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  I'm monitoring the divs this season. So far I'm pretty happy with 1-4 and 7-9, but 5 and especially 6 are absolutely dreadful. I'm going to suggest raising the team limit to 24 for 5 and 6 indeed, because otherwise we would have to add like thirty more races to get a remotely livable situation.
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  I remember well 5th and 6th. 6th sucked horribly no matter what, but 5th would possibly be fine with the cap to 24 teams per race.
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  At the moment there are only two races open to sign-up in division 6, on day 30 (already 14 of the 20 spots reserved), and on day 31 (which opened today) :-(
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  What about reducing the number of teams in that division?
  Currently we have a hundred teams. Maybe reduce to nighty or even eighty teams.
Zakisu Pirtina
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  In Div6 there are 2 races with the same profile on Day 51 and 52. Bergen - Os and Bath - Bournemouth.

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