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Team Zyte
Developer
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Posted at:
23:44 23/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 24/3-2007
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  Hey guys
  
  I have planned a few changes in the game in an attempt to make it easier for new teams.
  
  Two of the changes are already in place:
  
  1) Training costs are reduced by 10% permanently
  
  2) Division bonuses are doubled - when you move up a division, you now get 20.000 instead of 10.000
  
  I have more changes coming in the next few days, in particular, I am going to drastically improve the starting captain generated for new teams, as this will make new teams more competitive if they too quickly climb the ranks (which is often seen).
  
  I have also decided to make a slight adjustment to the age influence towards age influence playing a slightly smaller role. It will not change a lot, but I think it is suitable. This is not in effect yet, but will shortly be implemented. The change is so small, that I do not find it necessary to announce a specific date. It may also not be the last tweak I will make, as I have previously announced that I will constantly strive to tweak the experience/age balance.
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick





Holwerda Cycling
Posts: 1352

Posted at:
00:08 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 29/6-2011
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  Thanks Nick
Clenbuterol Cheats
Posts: 6

Posted at:
02:09 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 1/8-2017
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  As a relatively new team stuck in a waiting pattern due to a lack of cash I applaud these changes.
  
  As it stands a new team can generate enough cash to fully train around 1.5 riders by selling the team down to 9 riders, racing a few easy races (in the beginning) and ensuring jobs are completed as they come available. You then end up in a division where podiums are near impossible to achieve and stagnate.
  
  The changes as announced should ensure teams can get closer to fully training two riders as well as having an initial captain of some use. So a total of 3 useful riders vs the 1.5 riders as per the current situation.
  
  The only gripe I have is can we backdate the changes a couple of months :)
  
  
Team Chili
Posts: 1034

Posted at:
06:27 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 4/3-2009
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  Could we get the date of the "tweaks" even if its post release? It makes life easier for those of us who follow these things.
  
  It would also be nice to have a little more detail on what the change is doing.
  Decreasing the age/exp means stats are more important?
  My guess is this change is to allow young riders get more results as this is the group it would help the most?
  This also seems to be the theme of this change, allowing new teams find and train a captain and get results.
PJMcycles
Posts: 138

Posted at:
06:57 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 19/5-2016
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  +1 Should be back dated to 19/5/2016 lol
PEKAC B
Posts: 2165

Posted at:
08:40 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 31/5-2012
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  Nice, thanks Nick.
  
  I will consider special donation if the the age influence is decreased before Vuelta a Valpara√¨so ;-))
ABK
Posts: 2736

Posted at:
08:51 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 7/6-2010
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  Great to see some progress in order to make new managers stick around. Seeing the same old faces all the time is getting tiresome ;)
Alpine
Posts: 655

Posted at:
09:27 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 15/9-2014
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  Good changes across the board.
Marchons
Posts: 115

Posted at:
10:07 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 19/7-2017
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  Great changes, thanks Nick
  
  Like percynz, I signed up just after the 10yr fun (so no speedy talents or half price training etc) and have now done most of the divisional promotions & spent a load of money on full-price training, so that's a little annoying, but I'm not going to complain about you making the game better
Ello Ello
Posts: 996

Posted at:
13:01 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 20/3-2016
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  looks like some great changes!
  
  Any chance we can know how slight the changes are?
Time Indaiatuba
Posts: 140

Posted at:
13:46 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 19/6-2017
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  Just climbed two divisions in like the last two weeks :/
  
  Good changes though
mutants madrid
Posts: 393

Posted at:
14:33 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 27/7-2011
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  Thanx for doing this!
gabbo e bacardi
Posts: 1012

Posted at:
15:12 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 7/6-2012
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  I hope the age fix doesn't mean old riders doing even better because they are doing well enough imho
  
  
  The 2 changes already implemented are great improvements, great job Nick!
tomba
Posts: 774

Posted at:
17:14 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 20/4-2014
Status: Offline

  Nice to see that the game keeps on improving. Thanks!
Schiavi di Don
Administrator
Posts: 3455

Posted at:
17:27 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 22/3-2014
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  @gabbo
  The intention of the fix is to make young riders perform a little better. So our aim isn't to improve the oldies either.
  
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gabbo e bacardi
Posts: 1012

Posted at:
18:12 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 7/6-2012
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  Than that one is great aswell, thanks don :D
familytour
Posts: 2902

Posted at:
20:18 24/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 9/7-2014
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  Yep,young riders improving is a great idea!
Tashkent Browncoats
Posts: 1280

Posted at:
01:17 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 28/8-2014
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  Good stuff!
MOVISTAR KELME TEAM
Posts: 857

Posted at:
07:31 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 18/8-2015
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  Great Nick, thanks a lot!
AnnoDomini
Posts: 2247

Posted at:
08:31 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 24/3-2011
Status: Offline

  Maybe also 10% discount on scouting? Or would it be too much to ask for?

Last edit by AnnoDomini at 08:32 25/10-2017.

familytour
Posts: 2902

Posted at:
09:03 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 9/7-2014
Status: Offline

  Big +1 for Simon
KRV Rapid Habsburg
Posts: 435

Posted at:
09:11 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 13/9-2014
Status: Offline

  Great news from Nick.
  
  I would also suggest new teams for a limited period have exclusive rights to hire released riders on the Hirelist.
  
  This would give new teams better chances to sign trained riders on the cheap.
  New teams could be teams registered the last 90 days. To prevent cheating they could lose this exclusive right if they have wildcard. With a wildcard they have the chance to sign riders from the transfer forum and don't need exclusive access to hire riders from the HL.

Last edit by KRV Rapid Habsburg at 09:12 25/10-2017.

team dustin
Posts: 322

Posted at:
19:10 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 30/11-2016
Status: Offline

  nice
  
  10% less for training I can use :)
V02maXXers
Posts: 2901

Posted at:
22:42 25/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 12/6-2013
Status: Offline

  It's good for the game that starting teams get some extra advantages. Good changes!
nonnies
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Posted at:
07:51 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 5/7-2011
Status: Offline

  Hi Nick,
  
  I have suggested this before, I'm still for having a tutorial where completion gives new teams a small cash bonus as well.
  
  E.g Sign Up for your first race, 5000, buy a new rider 3000 scout your first rider 8000 etc, making the total bonus around 30k.
  
  Completing your first season , 10k (racing at least once race every 9 days for the entire season)
  
  Also maybe putting a limit on the number of challenges per day.
  
  Also adding some objectives for older teams might be nice, e.g. select objectives on day 80 of the new season, if you meet them you get a bonus, 50 % met half the bonus
  
  E.g.
  1. top 10 pick one race, if top 10 10k
  if top 20 5k
  
  2. top 3 pick one race (not picked yet) if top 3 20k
  if top 6 and not top 3 10k
  if top 10 and not top 6 5k
  if top 20 3k
  
  etc, I think this will give managers something to focus on and might also draw in new players to stick around for a while. It should be easy to implement this (as always easier said than done).
  
  I'd be willing to structure something in terms of these suggestions in a google sheet doc if you are interested in this.
  
Loithletics
Posts: 35

Posted at:
09:59 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 14/7-2017
Status: Offline

  So,
   - more money
   - cheaper training
   - better riders to start with.
  
  All changes go towards stronger riders. This goes in line with the usual phenomenon in all games: 95% of the changes users ask for are for getting ahead faster. This is not completely rational, because also the others will get ahead faster. I am usually more inclined towards changes that make it harder to advance and thus create bigger differences between top and normal players (here: riders).
PEKAC B
Posts: 2165

Posted at:
11:41 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 31/5-2012
Status: Offline

  It seems that the first team with an "improved" captain has been registered: StuckOnWheels.
  
  Not bad assuming he can serve as team mate till 36 - 37 and then retire as a trainer.

Last edit by PEKAC B at 11:42 26/10-2017.

Hog Bay CT
Posts: 1488

Posted at:
11:49 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 27/9-2014
Status: Offline

  Yeah, I agree, looks nice. :)
Ello Ello
Posts: 996

Posted at:
11:51 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 20/3-2016
Status: Offline

  bit old IMO
PEKAC B
Posts: 2165

Posted at:
11:52 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 31/5-2012
Status: Offline

  Good enough for divisions 9 - 11. Maybe even 8.
Hog Bay CT
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Posted at:
11:53 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 27/9-2014
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  That's the whole point, an old guy helping out a new team to hit the ground running. :)
Starlynk Bermuda
Posts: 339

Posted at:
11:55 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 27/9-2014
Status: Offline

  If the captain were younger it'd be tempting to em.. instruct all my co-workers to register a new Bermudan team and release their captain :p So I think 32's actually a perfect age as he can still perform for a while, but not worth a ton of money..
Undisputed
Posts: 118

Posted at:
14:44 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 28/7-2015
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  Great impovements! Thanks Nick!
The Broad Backs
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Posted at:
20:50 26/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 22/6-2013
Status: Offline

  Great changes to stimulate new teams to stick around! I feel every improvement aimed at expanding the base of users in this game is important, as too few (relatively) new teams seem to find the motivation to compete in this game for more than a week or a month
Tinkoff007
Posts: 4

Posted at:
01:33 31/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 7/9-2017
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Fighting
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Posted at:
09:20 31/10-2017 GMT

Registered: 5/7-2013
Status: Offline

  Nice improvements :). Thank you, Nick!
mapei bianchi
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Posted at:
16:15 1/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 7/7-2010
Status: Offline

  Would we be right in assuming that the experience with which the new teams captains are generated is the average experience for that age?
Soup
Posts: 94

Posted at:
04:16 3/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 23/10-2017
Status: Offline

  it still says in the overview you get 10k, instead of 20 for division bonus. You do actually receive the 20k though.
Fairfield Flyers Cycling
Posts: 329

Posted at:
17:37 3/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 18/8-2008
Status: Offline

  When do these division bonuses get paid? I moved up to division 5 recently and have not seen a payment.
Soup
Posts: 94

Posted at:
17:57 3/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 23/10-2017
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  The first time you get into a higher division.
Fairfield Flyers Cycling
Posts: 329

Posted at:
22:06 3/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 18/8-2008
Status: Offline

  Bummer, I missed out of that by many years.
TheBestCyclingTeam
Posts: 55

Posted at:
17:09 23/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 17/3-2017
Status: Offline

  I have just moved up, and I got this message:
  
  Local authorities noticed your team's positive development and decided to reward your team. You earned 10000$. 11:36
  
  In my Economy, it also say 10000. However I am pretty sure, that I recieved 20000 in my Cash.
Soup
Posts: 94

Posted at:
18:21 23/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 23/10-2017
Status: Offline

  correct
TheBestCyclingTeam
Posts: 55

Posted at:
00:25 24/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 17/3-2017
Status: Offline

  But the message is a bug then, as the amount of money is not correct?
Tashkent Browncoats
Posts: 1280

Posted at:
00:58 24/11-2017 GMT

Registered: 28/8-2014
Status: Offline

  I guess the message hasn't been changed yet, you're supposed to get 20000, so if you got it everything seems to be fine. Expect this game to have little flaws like that. I see it as one of its charms
chupacabra
Posts: 16

Posted at:
12:29 2/12-2017 GMT

Registered: 2/9-2016
Status: Offline

  I just got promoted to 3rd div and it only gave 10k
  
  
  
  ...typical corruption of Kyrgyzstani local authorities?!

Last edit by chupacabra at 12:37 2/12-2017.

Soup
Posts: 94

Posted at:
13:09 2/12-2017 GMT

Registered: 23/10-2017
Status: Offline

  are you sure it gave only 10k? The message says 10, but it should give 20.
chupacabra
Posts: 16

Posted at:
13:11 2/12-2017 GMT

Registered: 2/9-2016
Status: Offline

  100% sure - I came 1st and 4th, winning 20k in the Egense Gadelob, and my total is now 32k

Last edit by chupacabra at 13:21 2/12-2017.

Trim Trust Energy
Posts: 15

Posted at:
08:03 20/12-2017 GMT

Registered: 2/10-2015
Status: Offline

  Thanks a lot , very good indeed
Cyclists
Posts: 885

Posted at:
17:41 24/12-2017 GMT

Registered: 27/8-2012
Status: Offline

  Didn't receive 20k: Had 74.720 before Vejle Bakker, got 3rd and am now at 96.720, which is exactly 12k (3rd) and 10k promotion bonus.
team dustin
Posts: 322

Posted at:
20:55 14/1-2018 GMT

Registered: 30/11-2016
Status: Offline

  the same
  
  only receive 10k cash, i am sure
  
  before race 22.040
  price money 13.000
  promotion 4 => 3 10.000
  cash 45.040 when i came online again
Ostrich Farm Racers
Posts: 6

Posted at:
22:36 7/2-2018 GMT

Registered: 2/1-2018
Status: Offline

  Hi there,
  
  I was sent here after opening a thread on the promotion/relegation system. Each time I promoted I only got 10.000$ for promotion. I'm certain that it wasn't just a fault in the messages I received, because few days ago I promoted to the 7th division. After promotion I got 18.000 and a bit on my account.
Ostrich Farm Racers
Posts: 6

Posted at:
22:37 7/2-2018 GMT

Registered: 2/1-2018
Status: Offline

  My economy overview also says that I got 10.000 for promotion.
Kyp
Posts: 15

Posted at:
14:14 8/2-2018 GMT

Registered: 3/2-2018
Status: Offline

  Same for me,it was my first race today and I get only 10k for promotion
Bolletjestruii
Posts: 1

Posted at:
10:14 16/2-2018 GMT

Registered: 6/2-2018
Status: Offline

  Same for me! I started playing this week, and won a race becasue nobody else competed in division 11 that race. So I got many points and was bumped to the 8th division. But I got only 10k bonus. Sad.
Schiavi di Don
Administrator
Posts: 3455

Posted at:
10:41 16/2-2018 GMT

Registered: 22/3-2014
Status: Offline

  Yeah, I have mentioned this to Nick already, but I'm afraid he hasn't fixed it yet.
  
  -----------------------------
  
  OCM Awards Chairman/Admin
  
  'When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.'
  Proverbs 29:2
X Runners
Posts: 2

Posted at:
22:14 24/4-2018 GMT

Registered: 29/12-2017
Status: Offline

  Please make better changes.
  Even if we don't win races we need to find ways to make money.

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