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Team Zyte
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  Hello everyone
  
  For this season, the World Championships will move to Argentina and Argentina will host the first U23 championship.
  
  There will be a road race as well as an individual time trial race.
  
  The U23 World Championships are open to the teams ranked 1-200.
  
  The winners will be rewarded with a jersey for the palmarès (thanks to Team WonderDee).
  
  
  This update also contains:
  
  - A fix making the WC stripes visible on the jersey of former world champions
  - A fix of the text string on the rider profile stating if a rider is on the national team including a link to the national team page
  - The WC jerseys are now visible at the race page like with trophies and in tours
  - The WC ITT jersey is now also visible on the rider profile (the same goes for U23 RR and TT)
  
  
  I hope you like these updates. :)
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick






Last edit by Team Zyte at 23:29 11/12-2016.

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  And a fix for the text string about riders on NTs - even includes a link to the NT. Good job.
  
  And exciting news about WC U23 :thumbs up
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  Yeah - I forgot to put that in the update. :)
  
  It will hopefully give a little more attention to the National Teams with a direct link there.
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick
Ello Ello
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  ooo, I like the U23 addition!
  
  Also thanks for the fixes
AusGo
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  Maybe U23 WT up next?
ekaitz team
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  Niiiiiice:-)
  Riders with top9 in WT races have the WC stripes in his jerseys. Small bug??
  
  Thanks guys
  
  Remember send your votes for the OCM S38 AWARDS.
   http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/general/290319
  Saludos y Suerte.
  

Last edit by ekaitz team at 01:56 12/12-2016.

Ello Ello
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  Marcelino Santambrogio has the stripes and not the jersey atm
  
  also am i right in thinking that National Jerseys don't show WC stripes?
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  A bunch of my riders have wc stripes and i dont remember them winning any WC's
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  Will the WC require 3 or 6 riders?
  
  Edit : The stripe thing is on my team as well. In case it helps : It's on all my riders who won at least 1 race throughout his career.

Last edit by Twente Cycling Team at 09:22 12/12-2016.

familytour
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  Here too,but it's nice to see the stripes,so don't fix this bug;)
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  No itt-wc shirt for huldar. Does national jersey trumph wc Jersey?
DZWF
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  Keep it up!
Velo Club Bored Man
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  Sorry, but I think that is a real missed opportunity with the U23 World Championship.
  
  Why is it only for people ranked 1-200?
  
  I always thought the World Championships were wrong in this game, because it should be a chance for all teams to somehow compete in a top race. As it is in real life.
  
  The new U23 race could have been a chance to test this. Whether it was by using qualification races. Or by allowing a certain number of teams from each division... i don't know. But there has to be a better way than just making it another race for the only the top division teams.
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  I am interested to see how it goes, well done
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  @VCBM
  
  The top-200 is the full 1st three divisions plus 20 more teams. That's quite a lot. More teams would make a sign-up frenzy like none before, so I think this is a fine compromise.
  
  Nice fixes Nick!
  
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Ello Ello
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  i'd expect there to be a huge frenzy anyway,
  
  would it be possible Nick to increase the number of teams for this U23 race (and maybe the rest of the 1-200 U23 races) to 24 teams?
gabbo e bacardi
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  You do understand that equipment staff and all the other things won't leave div.5 teams any places in the top9? Top division(s) teams are top division teams for a reason usually...
  And if you had riders capable to score in that race, you probably shouldn't be in div.5...
  
  Nice update Nick!
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  The teams in Top 3 divisions leap to its defence :)
  
  The problem arises from the fact that any team in any division can train a rider to his maximum capacity very quickly. So the fact is that a team can have a 50AV rider and still easily be in division 6 or 7.
  
  Why shouldn't those team have a chance at World Champs? Especially an U23 World Champs?
  
  Unfortunately the update is aimed at keeping the guys at the top happy. That's all.
  
  @Don - There would not have to be sign up frenzy. There could easily be 1 race in each Division that is a World Champs qualifier. And 24 final teams come from those races.
  
  It would not be difficult.
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  Why so negative!? And if u get a rider that good, its no problem to get to top 200.

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  Hey guys
  
  Thanks for reporting these minor bugs - they should now be fixed. Otherwise, please let me know again. :)
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick
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  @Wonderdee - it's good improvement, sure. It could have been excellent.
  
  World Champs are massively flawed imo. This could have been step in right direction. That's all.
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  @Nick: The old shirt still shows on the rider page; http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=873328 But the "new" one in the team page: http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Teams&profile=mapei%20bianchi
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  Just let everyone compete,,then the real best rider wins ;)
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  U23 WC is a great feature.
  I would like the best U23 teams to compete in the WC, that is not necessarily teams from the top division. A ranking based on results of U23 races could give us good and fair joining restrictions in my opinion.
Team WonderDee
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  But wouldnt most of the teams ranked 1-50 join the main WC? And how many good U23 teams are there outside 3th div? Don`t forget Frank that the U23 rank is 1-200, not 1-50.
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  Just double the teams for signup and max 3 riders.. that would make it interesting
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  Well I think that if a team wants to focus solely on young talents, like VCBM seems to do, it's very hard to get into rank 1-200. If teams like that could go for a WC title, it adds a bit more for those teams.
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  @Holwerda - i came back to the game a few months ago. So all my riders were 30+, so I had to get rid of them all and sign new riders. That's why they're all young at the moment.
  
  Anyway...
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  haha, ok.
  I think it is also a different discussion to have a ranking for U23 besides the standard ranking. That way you can be the best at U23 riders, could be fun for a lot of people.
  
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  I have indeed been thinking about making a separate ranking for U23.
  
  What I did not like about that was that it would be possible for a top division team simply to rule that ranking as well. So I decided to just include U23 races across of divisions instead and make it a part of the regular ranking.
  
  I am still thinking about the other option. Do you guys think it in general would be better with a separate U23 ranking? That would make it possible to have only the best U23 teams participate in the U23 WC.
  
  For now, U23 is more of a supplementary part of the game. It could grow and become a more important part of the game.
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick
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  Could be a fun idea
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  If U23 is going to be bigger part of the game, the talents need to be younger. Could it be a idea to have the age range 18-21 in the talents? And 20-24 on hire list?
  
  Not sure whats best, 1-200 vs having a own U23 rank. You can see how the rank would look like, by checking Ello Ello great work here.http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/general/289421

Last edit by Team WonderDee at 21:56 12/12-2016.

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  Age 24 is not a talent imo.. they are already too old for u23 :/
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  I know. But as I mention in a other topic, I think the main source of riders sholdnt be via the hire list. Its not realistic, and it makes the game a trading game (DP farming, scouting teams etc). Less riders on hire list, and more riders via the talents. (1-3 rider each time. So 3-9 riders a season to pick from. Might even more)
  
  Edit: But the hire list should still be there, so you got a option place to look for riders. But not for buying and selling riders every 30 day.

Last edit by Team WonderDee at 22:03 12/12-2016.

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  I agree.. I wouldn't mind seeing more and younger talents from the talent feature.. maybe even have a separated talent squad that only rides u23 races.
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  The idea right now is that you build your own talent squad - just in minor scale (3-6 riders) - within your current team.
  
  It's not very protfitable at the moment as there are not that many U23 races. I could make a bunch more to make it more interesting.
  
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick
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  Here is the suggestion: http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/suggestions/290212 Some like it, some hate it. Its not perfect, but something to build from.
  
  I like the U23 squad. It could work as a pool to promote riders to the main squad. At Day 1 every season you get X number of new riders to your U23 squad. The U23 squad have off course a max size. You can promote so many you want from the U23 squad for a X amount of money during the season.
  
  At least this are ideas to build from.
  
  Edit: This was written before Nicks post.
  
  Edit after Nicks post: Then this talent squad can be linked up to the current talents. And the as mention, the age of the talents in talents should be lower.

Last edit by Team WonderDee at 22:14 12/12-2016.

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  You could just duplicate some of the "senior" races so the they race the same route. Maybe having the u23 races just before as a warmup for the real race.
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  Maybe the classics as a u23 varm up race.
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  Interesting. But like you said, how to prevent rich teams to dominate the U23?
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  I think the rich teams make more from participating in the regular races filling a squad with 22 riders instead of having 6 spots for U23 riders.
  
  Also, the rich teams will indeed have a harder time dominating U23 races as riders aren't that easily maxed at this point. Or am I wrong in this?
  
  Best regards,
  OCM Developer Nick
Ello Ello
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  thanks Christian
  
  so about U23
  
  the biggest problem I've encountered is that you can't compare the quality of the 1-200 division with the 501-800 (to give you an idea, the winner of the 501-800 division this season was a 35 average and he scored points in 13 races)
  despite this winning a 1-200 race gives you the same number of points as a 501-800
  
  another problem is that (and I regularly abuse this) you only need 3 rider to enter a U23 race so I regularly use them to xp race my young riders who don't stand a chance in the race reducing the quality of the race
  
  due to the low points available for 1-200 a lot of teams don't consider it to be worth their time.
  
  and there's too few races, maybe more U23 races for 1-200 and 201-500
  
  A couple of possible solutions:
   - more points available for 201-500 and the 1-200 races: this would allow you to create an official U23 ranking featuring all teams and would encourage more teams to participate
  
   - a complete change of how U23 works (and bear in mind this is a rough draft, numbers etc are up for debate):
  4 races a week, all on the same day, open to all people, races are of different profiles
  this would allow everyone to be participating in the same races so again a proper U23 ranking can be formed, I wouldn't be entering in races that don't suit my riders so often
  
   - bringing in separate U23 divisions where teams who do well in U23 get to race in higher U23 division races,
   the big problems though are: the low number of points put teams off, not many races so moving up and down divisions may not be a smooth process, the top U23 teams/riders change annually
  
  edit: my main recommendation is more U23 races, and then probably either go with the completely separate U23 rankings or weight the different divisions differently
  

Last edit by Ello Ello at 22:33 12/12-2016.

Nairobi City Cycling Club
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  What about expanding the teams squad from 22 to 28 riders where you can choose 6 riders that's deticated to the u23 races? only those 6 riders can participate in the U23 races and at the same time they can't race the regular races. you can only train them a little bit (Defending on age) until you movie them up to the first team. And at the same time making the talent pull free until you move them up to first team.. then you will pay the 40k pulling fee.

Last edit by Nairobi City Cycling Club at 22:38 12/12-2016.

Team WonderDee
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  @NCCC: Thats was along the lines I was think too.
  
  I think also a own U23 rank could be the way to go. Then we can see some good U23 teams, and give more managers something to aim for. Since its U23 a team wouldnt dominante for max 2-3 seasons.
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  Anything that'll generate more Burundians has my vote. I think I one race was lucky enough to have 3 U23 riders.
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  Yes it will help the minor nations a lot.. expecially if we can speed up the talent feature a bit.
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  Elio did a nice analysis and i agree with most of the things he said, but i disagree with the points issue, the fewer points the better imo, the issue is actually money, if you do not have an outstanding rider who will probably win the race signing up for a u23 race isn't usually worth it since the prize money from 4th place is close to 0, and even the first 3 prizes are quite low.
  I think a prize money like this would already be a great improvement:
  9th 500
  1000
  1500
  2000
  5th 3000
  4000
  3rd 6000
  2nd 8000
  1st 11000$
  
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  I'm a big fan of 6 U23 riders, but wouldn't increasing the team capacity just benefit DP trading?
Team WonderDee
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  Thats right Mai.
  
  Something have to be done with the current transfers market. Things that can work is: Less riders on hire list, 35k as min. RV, more riders via talents etc.
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  Do you have to be 22 or 23 years tobe allowed to race in a U23 race?
  
  And is it three riders for conventional races and three riders for TT races, that is minimum to sign up?
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  Need to be 22 at the sign up time.
  
  Three riders is the min. at sign up yes.
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  you have to 22 years and 89 days or younger at the time that the team signs up
  
  and minimum of three riders
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  Okay thx
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  Hi Nick, I think I have a decent solution. Open up U23 championships to all teams in the top 4 divisions BUT limit each teams entry to 3 riders, allowing up to 48 teams (if the engine is capable). This should mitigate the bottleneck for signup, prevent top teams from stacking 6 AND better equipment (the latter is inevitable).
  
  My team for example has okay equipment, 2 trained riders and a 3rd in training, and is hovering around the 200 mark. A race limited to 3 entries evens the playing field for my team in relation to a top 10 team, and I make this example not because of self-interest, but because my team is probably one of the better U23 entries in the middle divs. I am speaking not only for myself but for anyone with similar talents and resources.
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  +1 Brian. Seems a fair solution, also enables more team to compete in a prestigious race, like VCBM said
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  Couldnt it be a better idea that you are not able to sign up for the U23 WC if you don`t have atleast one av 35 rider or better thats 22 year old or younger? Because I can see teams joining the WC with 3-6 untrained riders.
  
  And I think the 1-200 is fine. So you keep the rank like the current U23 rank system. But for the future it could be a own U23 rank system, where only the U23 points count. Then the U23 WC can change to incl the 1-50 ranked in the U23 system.
  
  Here is how it can look like:
  
  - A option to open up a U23 team (need to be activated by the manager). The team need to be ranked 800 or better in the OCM rank to get the option.
  - You need to have at least 3 riders under 23 year old to be able to open a U23 team.
  - The U23 team can have max 6 riders
  - You can promote/demote riders between the U23 and main team. Riders that get older then 22, get automatic promoted.
  - You can train them like you do today.
  - Only teams with U23 teams can ride in the U23 races. Here you follow your team OCM rank, like today. So teams ranked 1-200 rides U23 A div, 201-500, U23 B div and 501-800 rides U23 C div
  - More races is needed for the U23 teams, so riders don`t get promote/demote all the time.
  - U23 WC, open up for the teams ranked 1-50 in the U23 rank. U23 rank = Points from the U23 A, B and C div races.

Last edit by Team WonderDee at 16:05 18/12-2016.

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  I do agree with the 2nd point (if we had a rolling U23 leadership board, we could restrict sign-up based on either rider or team U23 ranking, eliminating the normal divisional restriction altogether. Or could go with a format in which WINNING a U23 race during the season is what qualifies you for the championship sign-up.
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  @Brian: I did edit my post, you can see how my suggestion look like.
  
  But the easy thing is just to make a own U23 rank, where the U23 WC picks teams from.

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lastplace1414
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  My qualm about your updated proposal is this would require a full U23 calendar, otherwise (using my team as an example) the revenue provided by limiting Samper (and previously Pollard, who sadly just aged out without me noticing) to U23 and not allowing them to simultaneously compete with the senior team, would prevent me from training effectively. That is a format which would benefit the larger rostered, higher resource teams, rather than lower division teams where riders pull double or triple duty.
  
  Even when my team several seasons back got up to D1, it was a small roster with 6 teammates riding support behind 3 captains (SP, CB, HL). That roaster would not have been able to participate in an exclusive U23 either.
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  I did mention that you need more U23 races to make this work.
  
  But the easy fix is just to have a U23 rank, where the U23 WC picks teams from. But still think the U23 calender need more races to make this rank work.

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lastplace1414
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  Sorry, missed the sentence about more races :P
  
  Hopefully Nick will cherrypick whichever proposals/pieces of proposals are easiest to implement, allowing us to get a format in place quickly, see how it goes, then refine.
lastplace1414
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  Sorry, missed the sentence about more races :P
  
  Hopefully Nick will cherrypick whichever proposals/pieces of proposals are easiest to implement, allowing us to get a format in place quickly, see how it goes, then refine.
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  The quick fix, is a U23 rank. And then build the U23 concept from there. If its own squads, more races, younger talents in talent etc.
  
  And a own U23 rank will motivate teams to build a good U23 squad, and that will again promote training.

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  Henri from ello ello has been doing a great job keeping track u23 the last seasons.
  
  Henri link.
    Full results here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xsp3lYCK7aWmR2UhutRIGZpl2m4hz6fZtsR6VHm0OG0/edit?usp=sharing
  
  Love it u23 wc

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Ello Ello
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  Thanks johny
  
  If anyone's interested. This seasons results are up to date and can be found on the same sheet on the S7 page
  
  
Super Velo
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20:20 20/12-2016 GMT

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  I like this update. It's nice to have new things added, however...
  
  Why not allow the entire OCM manager population be involved in these new things instead of just 24 teams in division 1?
  
  Either have a world championship in all of the divisions or make the world tour managers handle the world championships.
  
  Real World championships in every sport on earth are world events where national teams compete, not just the quickest top division team managers that can get to the sign up page first..
  
  A lot of managers are quitting the game and it's easy to see why. Theres not much to do really... The entire game is based upon being in division 1...
  
  Or do this, don't call this world championships because in reality it's not a world championship, it's a division championship. Every division should have it's own championship and the WT national managers should handle the world championships.

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Team WonderDee
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20:34 20/12-2016 GMT

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  This is not just for 1st div! The rank is 1-200! So 2nd and 3rd is also incl.
  
  Edit: And I have to disagree with this an entire game is based upon being in 1st div. There are tours in 1-5 div, there is classics in all div and the new achievement is covering more then just 1st div.
  
  And why shouldnt it be more rewards for being 1st div team? Its natural, like in real life.

Last edit by Team WonderDee at 20:46 20/12-2016.

Super Velo
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20:48 20/12-2016 GMT

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  Christian, I'm sorry I still don't agree, in my opinion, (1 to 200) is still not good enough. World Championships should be open to any and all teams in the game that have a rider that is good enough. The only fair way to handle all WC races is for the NT managers to do it. That way the best riders in the game will always be chosen.
  
  The solution to this is very easy for both the U23 and the above 23 WC races. Move the race to each and every division and rename it division championship and a jersey will come with the win. Maybe make the requirement be the top 24 teams in each division are able to enter. If they don't then open it up to other teams below the top 24 at a few days before the race happens. Things need to become fairer for all if the mass departure from the game is to be stopped and new life is breathed in to the game.
  
  I don't have a problem with div 1 teams having some special perks, however some teams will never be able to get there. besides, do we really want this game to turn in to a game where only 40 or 50 teams (or all of div 1) are the only ones left in the game? Thats where it seems like it's headed unfortunately...

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Team WonderDee
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21:01 20/12-2016 GMT

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  There is a suggestion to make a own U23 rank, so the U23 WC picks teams from there. That would be a better solution than then your suggestion.
  
  I personally have no problem with the WC is 1-50, but I do agree with the suggestion above to make the U23 WC for the best ranked U23 teams.
  
  I don`t understand why you would quit because you are not a 1st div team? As mention,t here is tours and classics to aim for in the lower leagues too. It should be a challenge to get to 1st.
Tashkent Browncoats
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23:35 20/12-2016 GMT

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  I agree with Bubba. If you're not someone who wants to put extensive amounts of time in planning, or if you just don't have the time, you'll never reach division 1. That's not so bad, not everyone is meant for the top, but everything exciting happens there. Obviously there's the tours and classics, but those get boring after a while. To make this worse, most updates are only relevant to the top divisions.
AnnoDomini
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00:14 21/12-2016 GMT

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  Hey, it just occured to me so thought I share the idea - if teams can sign up between 3-6 riders for U23 WC, then we should not make the limit of 24 teams - but make the limit of 144 riders (6*24).
  I am sure many teams will not have full squads, thus more teams will be able to join.
  
  As to narrowing to divs 1-3: Maybe a sequencial sign up would work? For first 2 days only teams from divs 1-3 can sign up. Then, if there is space, teams from divs 4-6 can sign up.
  Something like with the Germany tour, where it is available to top 25 teams at first and then a bit later opened for rest of div 1?
  
Team WonderDee
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05:41 21/12-2016 GMT

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  By the way Nick, the U23 TT is 201km. Guess thats wrong. (PtbaGooner pointed this out to me on PM)
AnnoDomini
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09:35 21/12-2016 GMT

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  They are young-they can handle this! :-)

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